Journalist Anton Krasovsky spoke about his HIV status. Journalist and director of the AIDS Foundation. center" Anton Krasovsky admitted that he had HIV. What happened in this fog and how long it lasted

Journalist and director of the AIDS Foundation. Center" Anton Krasovsky in an interview with ZAG said that in 2011 he was diagnosed with the human immunodeficiency virus.

“I myself have been living with HIV since 2011, and I myself went through all this humiliation and hell that all ordinary people go through,” Krasovsky said.

He said that more than 1.5 million people live with HIV in Russia, but only 270 thousand citizens receive medications. “The main source of this epidemic in Russia are injection drug users, whom no one here counts, there are millions of them,” the journalist said. According to Krasovsky, the state provoked an epidemic of drug use, which led to the HIV epidemic.

Krasovsky believes that openness is the main way to both protect against HIV and help people with HIV-positive status. “If you are open to the world with your problems, the world will open up to[solutions] your problems will be met with you, you just have to be ready to open up.”, said Krasovsky.

Pokrovsky: HIV prevention requires Putin’s order and aggressive propaganda

Russia ranked third in the world in the number of new cases of infection with the immunodeficiency virus December 1, 2017

On December 1, UN Deputy Secretary General Michel Sidibé reported that Russia ranked third in the world in the number of new cases of infection with the immunodeficiency virus after South Africa and Nigeria.

The director of the Federal Scientific and Methodological Center for the Prevention and Control of AIDS, Vadim Pokrovsky, told Storm that Russia needs aggressive propaganda about the need to protect against HIV infection; only Russian President Vladimir Putin can change the situation.

The mortality rate of Russians with HIV continues to rise, while throughout the world this figure is declining. Domestic experts are sounding the alarm: more than half of all new diagnoses of the immunodeficiency virus in Europe occur in Russia, and 10 new HIV-infected people appear in the country every hour.

According to a survey by VTsIOM dedicated to World AIDS Day (celebrated on December 1), 96% of adult Russians have heard about HIV, the same number of respondents call the increase in the number of infected people an “important problem” and almost all of them are familiar with the main ways of infection with this virus. At the same time, there are citizens who are not at all aware of how the human immunodeficiency virus is transmitted. 4% of respondents believe that you can get sick through a handshake, 9% - through water and food, and 11% - through airborne droplets.

Journalist Pavel Lobkov, on the air of the Hard Day’s Night program on the Dozhd TV channel, said that he has been living with HIV for more than ten years. Anton Krasovsky asked him about why he did it and how to live with HIV in Russia

Let's start from the beginning. How did you find out that you have HIV?

In 2003, probably in May, at the invitation of the Chanel company, we filmed “Plant Life” about where the legs of French perfumery come from. It was a plantation in Grasse, and while doing what journalists call stand-up, I fell into a huge rose bush. I didn’t notice how a small spike stuck into my stomach - apparently somewhere between my jeans and my belt.

When I arrived in Moscow three days later, the whole thing had swollen and became such a boil. I was operated on quickly at Meditsina OJSC, without any tests. And three days later I left for China. There I was worried that the wound was not healing very well. The NTV channel was then serviced at the clinic of the Presidential Administration on Grokholsky Lane. They did bandages for me there, something else, some aero-, baro- and horseradish. I say: “Take a test from me for HIV and syphilis.” - "For what?" I say: “Take it!” And in the end they sold me this gray piece of paper: like, well, hand it over if you want.

Do I understand correctly that they literally did you a favor?

In general - yes. But I insisted on this analysis because I was worried about the slow healing, I believed that there was a problem with the immune system. This has never happened before, everything healed on me like a dog. And I realized that I needed to check my immune status. I'm a biologist after all. I assumed there might be factors other than the thorn of the rose.

Did you think it might be HIV?

Wasn’t there even such a thought?

I wanted to clear history, as they say, clean up.

As they say, exclude.

Yes Yes. Eliminate the possibility. So, I took the test and forgot about everything, because it was October 10, 2003, and Vitaly Ginzburg, who is now deceased, unfortunately, was awarded the Nobel Prize. I went to his dacha. Vitaly Lazarevich and I got quite drunk there, and he outdid me. He is 87 years old. I return home half drunk, half dead - I can’t refuse if a Nobel Prize laureate pours me a glass of vodka - and the next morning they call me, you know, in that Aeroflot voice: “You need to go see an infectious disease specialist.” Well, it's necessary. Maybe the immuno-enzyme analysis showed something wrong, maybe they will show something.

And so I arrive, these guards make way, I walk along these red carpets, go up to the sixth floor. The infectious disease specialist's door is open. Infectious disease specialist is not the most popular specialty in the clinic of the Presidential Administration. In general, everyone there has strokes, heart attacks, and diabetics.

Opened door. There is no nurse. A woman is sitting with challah. And in front of her lies my card. You know, over three years there were some little things - a therapist, an otolaryngologist, I lost my voice. The card is quite plump, crossed out crosswise with a red felt-tip pen, marker, it says “HIV +” and something like it is subject to liquidation/disposal. I don't remember. Terrible words were written there. “Pavel Albertovich,” she told me in such a Soviet voice, “you have been diagnosed with HIV infection. Because of this, the Deputy Chief Physician has terminated your contract for services in our clinic, goodbye.” And this is October. Open window. If I were a girl...

He would have jumped out the window.

Well, you see, this is not how news is reported. This was the most important news for me in 2003. "Goodbye. Your case will be transferred to the Moscow Health Committee, you will be registered with the AIDS Center.” And this was around 7 pm. I ran like crazy through these completely empty corridors, trying to find the same deputy chief physician who put this very felt-tip pen cross on me. Of course, I didn’t find anyone. There are some polite security guards and some secretaries everywhere. This is deontology. Deontology is the art of communicating with a patient.

I must say that I did not get drunk that day. And since I worked for NTV and we had a database of everyone’s phone numbers, I called Vadim Pokrovsky - this redhead will not let you down.

And the next day I was with him. Vadim saved me.

Have you tried to somehow sort out your relationship with this clinic?

Why?

But because they don’t sort things out with Buddha. What, I will go and tell Jordan: “My contract with the clinic has been unilaterally terminated due to the fact that I have been diagnosed with HIV infection”? In 2003? Are you crazy? No. I realized that I would not sort things out in any way.

Was Pokrovsky simply the first person who came to your mind on the topic of HIV?

And you called him right away.

What did you say to him?

I say: “Vadim, my name is Pavel Lobkov, we talked.”

He said, “Hello, Paul.”

“Hello, Pavel. Come to me immediately."

No, you told him: “I was diagnosed with HIV.”

By phone?

By phone, yes. "Come to me immediately." The next day at nine in the morning I was with him.

What did Pokrovsky tell you?

He drew me a diagram of how I would die.

In terms of?

I mean, my immune status is still normal...

How many helper T cells did you have?

1050 cells. Excellent immune status. In general, I'm even above average.

Yes, you are fine now.

He says: “Look, with this immune status you will live until you have 500 cells.”

Did he say 500 or 350?

Did he already say 500 then?

Then he said 500. This was in 2003, when everyone around - you are right - was waiting for it to drop to 350. We will give you therapy, you will live on this therapy for 5 years. Then your virus will develop resistance, your immune status will decrease somewhat and your viral load will increase. And the viral load, by the way, was quite large then.

Under a million?

Some thousands.

Don't you remember your first numbers? Don't you really remember?

Status, in my opinion, is 1050. True, Vadim has it all. He had Marina Kholodilova, she watched me all the time. So, Vadim was wrong: without therapy I lived not 5, but 7 years. In 2010, I started taking medications and my viral load dropped to undetectable levels. That is, I became less contagious than the potential boy from Bibirevo, who did not take any tests.

What did Pokrovsky promise you later?

Then you will need to change therapy. Your immune status will increase. And so every 6 years.

How did you feel when you first came to the AIDS Center?

The first impression is that this is the kingdom of death. Dilapidated corridors, upper secret floors, where, as they say, patients die alone, to whom no one is allowed. The smell of cabbage soup and horror, library ficus and linoleum. Pokrovsky’s office looks like something out of “Office Romance.” And at the same time, an incredible level, no matter how funny it sounds, of hospitality. They answer all questions and spare no time.

You left Vadim Pokrovsky. What did you do?

I was a little in a fog, to be honest.

What happened in this fog and how long did it last?

Nothing. For some reason it seemed to me that I would die on August 15, 2008 (I once dreamed) in the compartment of the St. Petersburg - Moscow train. This, as you know, did not happen.

When and how did you realize that everything would be okay?

First of all, I am a biologist.

And secondly - a person.

No, secondly a biologist and thirdly a biologist. I understand perfectly well that HIV is the most studied organism in the world. More studied than fruit flies and E. coli. The immune system fought, the load was reduced, there was no what is called the primary HIV reaction, that is, flu or diarrhea for several months. I immediately realized that I would live with this.

Have you tried to figure out who you got it from?

Why?

Because I asked Vadim the question: “Does it make sense?” He replied: “In 2003, epidemiological investigations are meaningless. Everything is from everyone. A waste of time, nerves and money.” We need to treat the problem, not do detective work.

Who did you tell right away?

What did mom say?

“We have had many troubles in our family, but we will survive another one.” Dad didn't know about this. He was a conservative man. He died and I don't think he knew until after he died. We hid this fact.

What did you say at work?

There was a situation when I was prescribed therapy. First, in 2010, I was prescribed abacavir, a very effective drug... But it has this peculiarity: sometimes some people are hypersensitive to it. And I started to have a crazy fever - the temperature was 42°C, the lymph nodes were sticking out of my collar. In general, to put it briefly, I even ended up in the hospital for two days - in the same hospital, with a drip. And abacavir was stopped. This was, of course, a shock for me, I thought that all therapy works like this. But it turns out that I’m just hypersensitive to abacavir.

And so, when I had these problems, and I went to work, I could not say that I had a high temperature, that I felt bad. I said that I have some kind of cancer or something else, that I still need some other drugs, they are changing the regimen. In general, I didn’t deviate too much, just in words - not cancer, but HIV. They changed my regimen, and at that moment I had an allergic reaction - a red muzzle, as if I had been on some kind of drinking binge. And I needed to explain this somehow. I said I had cancer there, and so on. This is a cover version.

Who, besides your mother, knew that you had HIV? For example, you told me in 2010.

I will answer this way: whoever needed it knew it.

Did you know Kulistikov?

In general, we didn’t communicate that often. But since Vladimir Mikhailovich Kulistikov was always close to the special services, I believe that for the special services the card in the clinic of the Presidential Administration, crossed out with a red felt-tip pen, was not a secret.

How did you move from the Federal Center to the Moscow City Center?

I transferred at a time when I needed to receive medications. This was due to some kind of bureaucracy - that was the first time I received a compulsory medical insurance policy, Moscow registration, and so on. And Pokrovsky said: that’s it, 500 cells, go to Mazus. There are free medications there. And the scheme at that time was somehow prohibitively expensive, probably $2,000. I could hardly afford that kind of money.

Is the Moscow Center somehow different from the Federal Center?

There are even orchids instead of ficus trees. The only thing is that I, let’s say, am an almost ideal patient, I remember when I need to come for prescriptions, get tested, and I think about less careful people - maybe it’s just me who isn’t warned that it’s time to get tested? Well, at least SMS.

Did they give you therapy right away?

Why?

I was still observed. The level was the same - 500. And only in 2010 did it drop to 416, and then therapy was prescribed.

When did the allergy to abacavir start?

Yes. The first therapy was unsuccessful.

You went to the doctor and she replaced your abacavir with what?

There was zidovudine with abacavir, and now there is zidovudine with lamivudine. And plus intelligence, which, thank God, is still purchased, and not produced by our domestic ones.

For those times it was a good scheme. How are your visits to the AIDS center on Sokolinaya Gora going now?

To the third floor, to Elena Lvovna. I am writing on Viber.

So you don't sit in the general queue?

No. There is a very strict rule: people who may be exposed are treated separately. Although, of course, spotting is possible. But you know, there is a certain rule among the infected. We are now on Periscope, Nedoskop, Twitter, Hornet, Instagram, Facebook - anywhere. They don't take pictures. It’s not like someone says, “Don’t take pictures!” People are united by a common misfortune, and they do not spoil each other.

Do you somehow pay for this appointment?

Of course not. And double check. Because I am a biologist, and I need replication of the result. After they published data that the mortality rate from heart attacks in Russia is greatly underestimated and those who died from a heart attack are given any other diagnosis, because Putin ordered that fewer people die from heart attacks, fewer people began to die. Therefore, I think: aren’t they underestimating? Therefore, a double check is very useful in order to get tested for the same thing in two independent centers. I apologize, but we know very well what Rosstat is.

Have you had any meetings with regular doctors since then?

No. I don't get sick at all.

Well, you told me that you have implants.

Over the 12 years that you have been living with HIV, have there been any problems related to this in your life?

In 2005, I was operated on for a routine proctological disease at a clinic on Sokolinaya Gora. Excellent surgeons, I still recommend them. They say: “There’s HIV there!” “This is the only place in Moscow where there is no HIV, because it is absolutely sterile,” I say. But only surgical interventions require this analysis. This is such hypocrisy when a dentist, when drilling a tooth for caries, does not require an HIV examination, but if you are given implants, they do, although the amount of blood and biological fluid released during this process is approximately the same. And at the Institute of Dentistry, which is on Novoslobodskaya, not far from me, they told me: “No, we will not give you implants, we will give you removable dentures.” And I bought these removable dentures, that is, I paid for them, after which I realized that my diction was seriously deteriorating, but I still work on the air. And, in general, I carried them in a cigarette pack for two years. When my next tooth fell out, I realized that I needed to get implants, and these same professors from MSMSU said that there is such a wonderful guy - I won’t give his last name, otherwise, God forbid, they’ll fire him (he’s in his chair) Vichikovy sat) - and he said: “I don’t care.” Well, Lena Orlova-Morozova (head of the clinic at the Moscow Regional AIDS Center) sent him links to American studies, where a cohort of about two thousand HIV-infected people in America looked at the survival rate of implants. That the statistics are no different. Smart guy, normal, absolutely adequate.

Did you get good teeth in the end?

The bottoms are already ready, but there is no money for the tops yet.

You follow the latest in the industry and all the bullshit. Are you satisfied with the therapeutic regimen you are currently receiving?

I would say so. I don't care about the packaging - even if it's in paper. I care what's inside. And Vadim told me today that, in fact, they don’t check what’s inside. And we have data from Alexey Maschan, who deals with pediatric oncology and who is a great authority in this matter, that it turns out that in imported anti-cancer chemotherapy drugs the active ingredients are almost 25% of the norm. At the zoo, tigers are not given enough meat. And many cancer drugs are lifelong. Therefore, the long-term effects are unknown to me. But there are no short-term effects of import substitution yet. Because I have the same immune status that I had before 2010, maybe even better, somewhere around 750 cells. Only now I can still say for sure that since 2010 I have been generally less contagious than any potential person who has never been tested. As Pokrovsky said, you have to produce two glasses of saliva or a glass of sperm to infect someone.

That is, you have not had any complications associated with the pills you are taking.

Not now. But I would like to know, after all, what is inside. Because the immune system is slowly modulated. We don't quite understand what these tablets contain and what they don't. Because I can’t really imagine how such complex drugs as tenofovir - and this is a complex drug, a complex formula - can be quickly produced by a company, for example, Pharmsintez. I think that it all comes from one Bangalore, from one Indian barrel, it is scooped with a spoon, but we cannot prove it.

Well, this is true all over the world.

But there are different lines there. The first is for America, the second is for EU countries, the third is for everyone else.

Over the years, have you started to be more careful about your health?

Yes, I, of course, began to pay more attention to, say, the condition of the tonsils, palpating them, or the condition of the inguinal lymph nodes. But general practitioners - they don’t require this. For example, I had a problem with my knee...

But do you tell your general practitioners that you have HIV?

No. Don"t ask - don"t tell. If they ask me...

Do you, as a biologist, think that HIV infection is a kind of systemic disease against which, for example, colds can develop?

Colds - no. Because among HIV-negative people, especially when they work around the clock, colds occur three times every week. And for me - once every two to three months. Then, due to the fact that I have a very high immune status and the reactivity of the immune system, I have a fever for every reason. I cut my finger - my temperature is 37.6°C. It's been like this since childhood.

Would it be easier for you if you didn’t have the discomfort of discussing this with a regular doctor?

I did this today. All regular doctors now know about this. So I want to see if the doctor - although I don’t want to look at it at all, because I’m a healthy person - will the doctor, say, feel me with rubber gloves. I'm experimenting on myself.

Great. Why did you do that? This was not a spontaneous decision. When you called me this morning to ask if coming out would help the cause, I thought you were drunk.

I rather drank because I needed 100 grams for courage.

We went through this. I know it. Why did you do that?

Stop lying.

Why?

When we repost Navalny’s anti-corruption posts, we are all so beautiful, we are all so wonderful, we are all such Facebook lamers, hamsters. “My mother is terminally ill” - 148 likes. I'm tired of this culture of likes. I can't keep a skeleton in my closet. This should be a highlight because there are a lot of you guys who wear this. They may not even know about it. They go left and right, as they say. Fathers of families, mothers of families. In the end, stop lying nationally. Why don’t I lie about Donbass, why don’t I lie about Syria, and why should I lie here?

You can just not talk about it. In the end, it's your own business.

And this was all spontaneous. The editor-in-chief of the Hard Day’s Night program, Ksyusha Kozhina, called me yesterday, around the same time, at midnight. Since I also serve as a scientific observer on Dozhd, she asks if I will come to Hard Day’s Night with Vadim Pokrovsky. And in general it worked out: either I, like a journalist, go and ask routine questions, or, since this has happened, I spill everything honestly. Then I called you. And you did not recommend me to do this. But I did it. We have to do things sometimes. Not for PR. Although PR in this case is very important. It is important in the sense that, firstly, you must know what is happening here. You must understand that HIV-infected people are not suckers, degenerates, shelters, homeless people, drug addicts with a syringe sticking out of their knees.

But it’s like that too.

And so too. But you must understand that any noble person - I do not consider myself one of them - can be a carrier of this infection. And we have to live with this for quite a long time.

That is, everything somehow came together, and I realized that if I don’t do it today, I will never do it.

Did this make you feel better?

No, I was scared.

Why?

And I don’t know what will happen tomorrow.

What are your guesses?

I'm afraid to even build them.

Well, now you see your Facebook feed...

I see my feed. I don’t see the Lifenews feed.

Does your life somehow come into contact with Lifenews?

Does 86% of life come into contact with Lifenews? I don’t even know if they’ll put me in a taxi tomorrow. Will they drink from the same cup with me?

Do you think that what you have done will really help the hundreds of thousands of people who live with HIV in Russia?

Yes. I wouldn't do it otherwise.

Would such an act help you?

Why?

When a person finds out about his diagnosis, I realized this from my example, he is, as it were, encapsulated. He builds some kind of protective wall around himself, some kind of shell, and he keeps a terrible secret within himself. There is nothing worse than keeping a terrible secret. All the former prime ministers - for example, Stepashin - they all walk around with four guards, because they are all carriers of state secrets. And in this sense, you yourself are the bearer of a terrible secret. And this extremely upsets you from the inside, that you know something that many, many others do not know. And a situation of discomfort is generated. It seems to me that just such an opportunity for an open outlet is, firstly, the elimination of stigma (I really hope so), and secondly... I cannot say that I am a very successful person. You and I are sitting in a small, not very equipped apartment. No gold, no fur storage. But enough. More or less middle class. And I'm one of you. You can be in my place, and I can be in yours. There are a huge number of people who are not examined, their internal bells do not ring. I believe that after my speech, the best consequence would be if tomorrow many people would go and get checked to see why this damn wound is not healing, why they have total caries in their mouth. Why? The doctor doesn't tell you - go yourself.

Everything was very bad then, in 2003, we had to get a license plate, we waited, we were nervous. Now all this is done by tests. Take it yourself, buy it at the pharmacy. 1000 rubles. Don't pay for ***, buy an HIV test.

Who called you first today?

And now everyone communicates on Facebook.

I understand. Who called you first?

But no one called. Everything is on Facebook.

Come on. Well, we talked on the phone.

I called you. And you dialed me on Facebook.

So, was I the first person you talked to?

This is very funny.

Sometimes it is important to hear a simple human voice. Because all these likes, all these shares, retweets, reposts - this, of course, is all wonderful, but now we have actually reduced communication to a couple of words - normal, ok. I can’t stand these “seals”: ​​“everything will be fine, honey.” Today they wrote to me on Facebook: “Get well!” But I’m not sick, why should I recover? What, are you going to offer me genetic scissors to cut this crap out of lymphocytes, or what? You don't have these scissors. "Get well!". Three likes.

The person doesn't understand.

Does not understand. That's why I did it today.

Tell me, over these 12 years have you encountered the fact that people don’t know anything about HIV? Or do they still know something?

The fact is that in 2009, when we were making a documentary for NTV about infection, in particular about HIV, I became acquainted with the so-called movement of HIV dissidents, who believe that due to unfavorable weather conditions you develop immunodeficiency. Then a mass of lymphotropic viruses, one of which is HIV, lands on your lymphocytes. This is a fashionable theory now. But we can also deny that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Yes, such discoveries amazed me from time to time.

But these are AIDS dissidents. And I'm talking about ordinary people. Today they tell you: “Get well.” People really don't understand this.

Don't know. My mother scoured the entire Internet and somehow was very calm already in 2004.

Didn't your mom call you today?

I called.

Well, and you say that it’s just me. And what did mom say?

She is afraid that some neighbors will appear there who will not give her injections, since she is the mother of an AIDS patient. She said that it was my decision, that it would be difficult for me to live with him. And perhaps she too. Because she is surrounded by people who sincerely believe that Donbass is part of Russia. With corresponding consequences.

What did Sindeeva tell you?

The same. This is not Sindeeva’s decision.

But this is the decision announced on her channel.

I let her know that I would do this. “Will this harm the channel’s image?” “No,” Sindeeva told me after much thought. Which you, in fact, also witnessed.

No, it won't hurt. How many subscribers there are, how much of what - I don’t care. What I care about now is that people who live without knowing about it find out. If you have a sore throat, go get tested. Lymph nodes - go get tested. The wound is not healing - go get tested. The sooner you find HIV, the longer you will live.

There is a theme in the global pharmaceutical industry: the longer you live, the longer you live. The longer you extend your life, the higher the likelihood that the magic bullet will be found.

The world is divided into two categories. The First World War - a huge amount of gas gangrene, fatal pneumonia, there was trench disease. People before penicillin are people after penicillin. By starting therapy earlier, you can live until the invention of conditional penicillin. And HIV will seem to you... Are you afraid of the plague? No more plague. From the plague - the same one from which half of Europe died - tetracycline has long been available. Two tablets.

I understand that you don't know what will happen tomorrow. But nevertheless, when you took this step, did you think about how everything would develop now?

I don't want to give my enemies options for their actions. And I gave them about 20 options.

Fine. I'm not talking about enemies now. Let's talk about you. I also came out, I survived it all and I understand that enemies remain enemies, and friends remain friends. And you will remain yourself, and your life will continue. But she will change.

Yes, I know it.

Do you predict in what direction it will change?

No. I will work on the Dozhd TV channel.

Will you somehow engage in AIDS activism?

If I am involved as a public face for PR campaigns, I will try to make sure that these PR campaigns are very human, so that people see that HIV is controlled, that... There is a single store near me, there is a package of condoms, 12 pieces, costs 600 rubles. Opposite that RSUH store with a dormitory. There are a lot of young boys and girls there. And I see every day, when I come home from work, when a boy and a girl take champagne, look at condoms, their eyes rest on the number 600 - and they don’t buy them. Because condoms cost as much as champagne. And here we need to show the sovereign’s will, and not disband the bearded Chaplins. This is where there should be state will, subsidies, free condoms in schools and institutes, because 18-year-olds in their entire dormitory will spread this through heterosexual contact - there will be fire there, you understand?

What is missing in the whole AIDS topic in Russia now?

There's a balance to be struck here. You have AIDS - this does not mean that you cannot drink from the same mug, and, on the other hand, if you have HIV and are on medication, this does not mean that you should not use protection. This is some kind of delicate balance, and here you need to think through your PR policy. And it should be built not by advertising agencies, but by people who understand and live with it. And I feel like I can help in some way.

December 5, 2017, 06:32

I read it today on Dozhd

Journalist and director of the AIDS Foundation. Center Anton Krasovsky said that in 2011 he was diagnosed with the human immunodeficiency virus. He spoke about this in an interview with Zag.

“I myself have been living with HIV since 2011, and I myself have gone through all this humiliation and hell that all ordinary people go through,” Krasovsky said.

He also noted in the interview that he believes that the state provoked an epidemic of drug use, “which ultimately led to the HIV epidemic.”

Krasovsky believes that openness is the main way to both protect against HIV and help people with HIV-positive status.

“If you are open to the world with your problems, the world will open up to [solve] your problems towards you, you just have to be ready to open up,” Krasovsky said.

At the beginning of 2013, Anton Krasovsky came out and lost his job on the KontrTV channel. He disappeared from the air after the phrase “I am a homosexual. And I am the same person as you. Like our president, like the prime minister, like other people in the Administration or the government...”. Soon the TV channel itself was closed.

In 2015, Anton Krasovsky created the NGO AIDS Foundation.Center to help people living with HIV.

"...The AIDS Foundation. Center is not a gathering, not a bank, and not a religion. This is a place that we are building in order to live to see the future.."- wrote Krasovsky, explaining the goals of his project.

In January 2015, famous journalist Pavel Lobkov spoke about life with HIV infection. He is also one of the members of the board of trustees of the AIDS Center.

This is Anton's interview from 03 October 2016, where he talks about the problems of HIV in our country and the very essence of the phenomenon.

“You are the epicenter of the HIV and drug addiction epidemic”

Interview with the head of the AIDS.CENTER organization Anton Krasovsky

What is it like to live with HIV in Russia and who is responsible for the epidemic - in an uncut interview on “URA.Ru” (Ekaterinburg).

Anton, you head the non-profit organization AIDS.CENTER, you help HIV-positive people, their families and doctors by “washing dirty linen in public”: talking about what everyone prefers to remain silent about - about AIDS, about HIV. Why do you think Russia is ahead of the rest of the world in the rate of HIV spread? What's wrong with us?

In fact, the problem of HIV exists everywhere. But here it is in a neglected state, because now HIV is not the main problem in Russia.

It is possible to defeat anything - impassability, provincialism, our aggressiveness and the same HIV in our country - only by defeating Russian depression. Nobody wants to work here because everyone is sad. Because no one has any hope left. And people try to overcome this hopelessness with drugs and booze.

And even if you don’t want to drink, if you don’t want to drink anymore, then you still have absolutely nothing to do. And this is not because there is no money. There is no money and no hope because in Russia people don’t care about themselves. Whether they use drugs or not, whether they are HIV-positive or not, whether they are women, men, children, gays, heterosexuals, taxi drivers, ministers... They all don’t care about their lives. In Russia there is no incentive to live long, live well and live honestly. It is important to live brightly here. Because the environment is 50 shades of gray. So there is no reason to be surprised that people inject themselves and do not use protection.

You have been working in this field for more than two years, and there is success. For example, you were nominated for the “Made in Russia” award for your AIDS CENTER. But there were certainly defeats. What didn't work out, didn't happen and why?

Life itself in Russia is a defeat. This is how a person is sinful from birth, just as someone born in Russia is a loser from birth. All my life I have been struggling with this defeat, trying to prove that losing people also have the right to exist. That's why I've been a doubly loser in the last two years. For example, I was unable to do anything to build a large clinical center for people living with HIV in Russia. Because if I were a handsome, quiet, polite and very talented People’s Artist of Russia and Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin personally loved me for some role, then I would have the opportunity to build a hospital, a theater, and a cottage village in addition regardless of the wishes of some people around. But, unfortunately, I am not a people’s artist, not quiet, not negotiable, and I think Vladimir Vladimirovich doesn’t even know me. Therefore, I failed to do this, this is my personal failure.

It seems that feelings of defeatism are very common among people living with HIV themselves. Experts have complained to me that people often find out about their status and simply don’t register; they have to run after them and persuade them to get treatment. Are they deliberately killing themselves?

Yes, it is normal. This happens not only in Russia. Half of the people on drugs don’t believe in HIV at all and don’t think about it. They don't care about it at all. Well, on the other hand, look at men over 45 years old in Russia who do not have any HIV: they all have hypertension, blood pressure is 160 over 100, and they all drink and smoke. Why don’t they surprise you, but these drug addicts who are sitting on an unknown needle, and their legs are already swollen from the “crocodile”, do they surprise you? Why should a drug user want to live more than the average head of a Siberian regional center? This is why NGOs like ours are needed, to help people who have lost not only faith in life, but life itself in general. To prove to them that life is out there somewhere.

Does it happen that a person leads a healthy lifestyle, plays sports, and suddenly finds out that he is HIV-positive and does not go for treatment?

Happens. This is the second topic of HIV, which is not directly related to Russia, but there is more of it in Russia than in the civilized world. This is stigmatization. Having HIV is very inconvenient. For example, if you are a sporty and rich person, and you are diagnosed with hypertension, you can go to an excellent clinic for money, and there, of course, they will treat you a little. But this won’t work with Vichukha. You should really go to a public hospital, stand there for a day in the crowd... And never go there again. And die. I have seen such cases.

- So they end up killing themselves out of shame?

In Russia, even if you are a rich person, you cannot establish a normal life for yourself. A person falls into this system and does not understand how to continue to live, and simply gives up on it. I don’t know how this happens in Yekaterinburg or Chelyabinsk. But in Moscow and the Moscow region this is all happening quite uncomfortable. A person comes to this hospital, you can’t get through to the reception desk, there’s a crowd for four hours, and what to do, which doctor to go to, what kind of pills they will give you, or maybe they won’t give you at all - nothing is clear.

This is because the people who were and are dealing with this problem in the state did not care about it, and because the authorities personally never had anything to do with it. Our bosses always suffer from cardiology, so there are several huge cardiology centers in Moscow. Why the hell are they needed? However, none of them perform an operation of even partial complexity, which is performed in any hospital in any state of the United States. But in the Moscow region, for example, there is not a single purulent surgery. A man will be cut with a knife, he has suppuration, and there is nowhere to take him. Sepsis, and goodbye.

- How should journalists in Russia talk about HIV in order to be heard?

Honestly. In relation to everyone. And for everyone. There are a number of taboos from different sides. For example, let's not inflate the official figures, otherwise they won't talk about it at all. Or let's not talk about the epidemic among gays, because they are already a stigmatized group. Or let's not say that drug users are the main driver of the epidemic, because no one associates themselves with them, and no one will be tested for HIV. In fact, let's be.

You didn’t talk about the epidemic among gays, and for 15 years no one carried out targeted work with them. Therefore, now we have from 17 to 20% of all gays in Moscow - HIV-plus. I think that soon it will be almost a quarter. Because “we won’t talk about it.” And it's the same with drug users.

They gradually switch from intravenous to snorting drugs, they no longer become infected through blood, but without exception - through sexual contact. There was a transition from “krokodil” to spice, and a huge number of uninfected young women became HIV-plus. Because you don’t immediately see what state a person is in, and how much of a dead drug addict he is. And a young woman in Russia is an equally vulnerable group. Because she is completely at the mercy of the man, she is completely dependent on his desires and whims. She was brought up to trust him. And everyone needs to talk about this.

- What do you need to know about HIV in Russia in order to change something?

For example, in America this is a purely gay issue. There the epidemic is concentrated in this group. Plus women who accidentally found themselves in this field, who became infected through bisexuals, transgender people, and now a small but growing group of black drug addicts. But in Russia this is pure drug use. Now you understand that you have a depressed region, there are drug addicts there, and you don’t want to do anything about it. You publicly refuse substitution therapy, because it is easier to chain a person to a battery than to spend half the budget of the federal district on harm reduction programs, lobbying for methadone, on social workers, rural revitalization, and most importantly, on employment programs for youth.

“At least do it like me! - says Evgeny Roizman. At least you don’t have to do it. We must do as they do all over the world and win. Drug addiction is not overcome by violence. They defeat it through huge tectonic changes in their own consciousness. And in the consciousness of the region.

They defeat it when doctors are able to prove to the police that methadone is better than heroin. If the doctors agree with the police that let everything go as it goes, it’s better to be a jerk, then neither drug addiction nor HIV can be defeated. Now all the Sverdlovsk residents will attack me. They will accuse me of not understanding a damn thing about your problems, the specifics. Some, as they like, will say that I am their opening act. But in fact, you are the opening act for the whole country.

You are the epicenter of the HIV and drug addiction epidemic. And it's your fault. Yours. Do you live there. You either do nothing or do everything wrong. And in the end, these hundreds of thousands of people living with HIV should be proof for you. But I’m sure they won’t.

And you will continue to chain [drug addicts to batteries], and there will be a million people from the Urals with HIV.

Anton Krasovsky. Biography

Russian journalist, TV presenter, writer, publicist, critic. Editor-in-chief and co-host of the socio-political show NTVshniki on the NTV channel. He headed the special projects and PR service at Harper's Bazaar magazine and the marketing and PR service at Pynes & Moerner, was the publisher of Wallpaper magazine, and a regular contributor to the men's magazine GQ.

Born on July 18, 1975 in the city of Podolsk, Moscow region.
In 1992 he graduated from school No. 633 in Moscow.
In 1999 he graduated from the A. M. Gorky Literary Institute, where he studied poetry.

As a student, in 1996 he began working for NTV as editor-in-chief of the Book News program. In 1997, Krasovsky became a theater columnist for the Evening Moscow magazine. He worked at the Kommersant publishing house, the Yandex Internet portal, and the Independent Media publishing house, and was also a theater columnist for Nezavisimaya Gazeta and culture editor for Vogue magazine.

In 2003, he headed the special projects service of Harper's Bazaar magazine, in 2005 he became the publisher of Wallpaper magazine, and later for 2 years he headed the media department of the consulting company Pynes & Moerner.

In 2007, he was the editor of the directory “100 Best Restaurants in Moscow.”

In 2008, a controversy between Krasovsky and Veronica Belotserkovskaya caused a great stir among LiveJournal bloggers. The reason was a rather harsh review written by Krasovsky about the Moscow version of Sobaka magazine. Ru and its creators.

From 2009 to February 2012, he worked as editor-in-chief of the NTV Shniki and NTV Musical Ring programs on the NTV channel.

In September 2011, he took part in the educational project “MadeinKazan” - “Expand Horizons-3”, together with Sofiko Shevardnadze, Igor Chapurin, Evelina Khromchenko, Vladimir Dolgov and others.

On December 28, 2011, as part of the election campaign for the election of the President of Russia, Krasovsky headed the election headquarters of candidate Mikhail Prokhorov.

Along with writer Sergei Minaev and former Comedy Club producer Artak Gasparyan. was the creator of the Kontr TV TV channel; on December 11, 2012, the Kommersant newspaper reported that according to tax services, the 100 percent founder of the TV channel is the Institute for Socio-Economic and Political Research (ISEPI), created on the initiative of the administration President, and headed by the former deputy head of the Presidential Internal Policy Department, Dmitry Badovsky. Left the TV channel in January 2013.

Since December 2016, together with Sergei Minaev, he led the Telegram channel “Anchovies and Daisies”, which in June 2017 became a weekly program broadcast on YouTube and the social network VKontakte. The first release of the program turned out to be scandalous - subscribers to the public pages of Alexei Navalny and Alisher Usmanov on VKontakte , who were discussed in the premiere episode, received a push notification about the start of the show’s broadcast, representatives of the social network explained the incident as a glitch.

He is the director of the AIDS.CENTER charity foundation, which deals with the spread of HIV infection and helping people with this disease.

Since November 2017 - host of the entertainment program “We Can Repeat!” on the “Friday!” TV channel, which he hosts together with Ksenia Sobchak

December 7th, 2017 , 10:00 am

Why is Russia sick with AIDS?

If you really want to understand any problem, it is important to meet two conditions.

First, you need to listen to experts on this topic. The second is to discard all vague formulations and speak as it is, exposing the essence of the problem.

That's why the only specialist in women's fitness in Russia is me? Yes, because I call fat people fat pigs, and not streamlined, plump and people with shapes, and at the same time I write how to specifically fix the problem, without selling you sports drink along the way.

And the result is obvious: tens and hundreds of thousands of girls have become beauties!

Photo: Social networks

Today I want to talk about the problem of AIDS in the country. I read an interview with the person in the topic and completely agree with him, although as a person I was always disgusted by him.

But the truth is above personal relationships for me. Therefore, I give the floor to Anton Krasovsky - journalist, gay, director of the AIDS Foundation. Center,” who has been infected with HIV for six years.

In an interview with Zag, Krasovsky clearly voiced the problem: Russia has AIDS due to lies at all levels.

We are told that drug users are not to blame for the HIV epidemic in Russia. Anton absolutely correctly states that it was from the segment of drug addicts that AIDS originated in the country.

Addicts from heroin switch to synthetics and spices, which provoke sexual activity. So they often infect healthy people, and they, in turn, bring the infection into the house.

In this case, drug addicts do not receive therapy - they simply don’t give a damn about themselves, about the safety of others, about your health. They become infected themselves and then infect normal people.

The second focus of AIDS, which is tolerantly kept silent about, is homosexuals. We are told that gays are the same people, but they forget to talk about the completely different format of their sexual relationships.

Gay men often lead a promiscuous sex life, meeting once for sex, without even finding out their names.

There are many reasons for this behavior, including the attitude towards homosexuals in our country. However, their behavior provokes an epidemic, which is spread from the gay community by bisexuals.

According to Krasovsky, every fifth gay man in Moscow is infected with HIV. Scary numbers, considering how unsafe anal sex is.

So where does the HIV epidemic come from in Russia? Why is our country sick with AIDS?

Everything is obvious, if you don’t hide behind vague and deceitful formulations: AIDS is spread by drug addicts and gays.

And we need to fight not against HIV, but against drug addiction, the causes of its occurrence, and so that gays become a full part of society, having the opportunity not to be ashamed of their sexual relations.

Do you want to shoot up? Get your tablet or dose in a disposable syringe. Do you want to fuck with men? Do it openly and safely, and not with a random partner in a remote alley.

Take care of yourself, AIDS does not sleep. Everyone is in danger because there is an epidemic in the country. Today you can already become infected not only from a drug addict and a gay, but also from those who seem normal! - people they have already infected!

How to overcome drug addiction, is it possible? How can homosexuals be given the opportunity to have sex safely?

Krasovsky: In Russia there are already two drugs that are one tablet that you take a day. In a normal, civilized, rich world, and we belong to this world, people living with HIV take 1 tablet a day and live exactly as long as modern statistics tell us, how long people live without HIV... For some diabetes, someone has tuberculosis, and someone has cancer, and he has HIV, and he is forced to undergo examinations at least once every six months. Such a responsible attitude towards one’s health even prolongs one’s life. We see from the example of America that, based on this survey, people with HIV live longer than people without HIV. Simply because they go to doctors all the time. This is one tablet.

Full version of the "Position" program with Anton Krasovsky read below and listen to the audio recording.

Condoms or champagne. What do millennials choose?

D. NADINA: In the studio of Daria Nadina. Good evening everyone! Our guest today is Anton Krasovsky, journalist, director of the AIDS Center Foundation. Hello, Anton!

A. KRASOVSKY: Hello, Dasha!

D.N.: Some time ago, a large translated article from some American scientific journal was circulating on Facebook about how the millennial generation - those born between 1985 and 2000 - has a slightly different attitude towards sex than the previous generation. One of the factors is awareness about HIV infection and various sexually transmitted diseases. Today's 25-30 year olds simply prefer to have sex less often in order to avoid getting sick. I read it, was happy for my generation, and immediately after that I saw the words of Vadim Pokrovsky, who says that we have an HIV epidemic, and somehow this doesn’t fit well. Our millennials, unlike Americans, are not worried?

A.K.: Firstly, not only Vadim Pokrovsky says that there is an HIV epidemic in Russia. Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev speaks about this first of all. He said this openly at a meeting of a large government commission in October last year. It's actually not what you say.

The problem with millennials is that they were born at a time when AIDS no longer existed, but HIV was still around.

A. Krasovsky

Therefore, the epidemic exists not only in Russia, where, strictly speaking, it affects not millennials at all, but older people, people living in depressed regions, in a very difficult financial situation, using intravenous drugs, etc. A new round of the epidemic, for example, is now happening in the United States. Exactly because people who were born, as you correctly noted, not after 1985, but after 1990, forgot that they die from AIDS. Because there really wasn’t a single person around them who would die from this very AIDS. And now every year 50 thousand new cases are registered in the United States.

D.N.: I’m 27 years old, and I, for example, remember very well - I grew up hugging the TV, and it raised me - in “Field of Miracles” there was constantly advertising for condoms, when my grandparents go to the pharmacy, buy a bunch of things, condoms are included number, then they throw away all the medicines and go hugging, with condoms, happy and smiling. And then “protect yourself from HIV infection” and so on. They told us, but it turns out that no one told them who are now 18-20.

A.K.: No, they told everyone everything. And, moreover, the Durex brand of condoms, which is now banned in Russia for financial reasons, for example, was advertised last year, in my opinion, more than Coca-Cola. On all federal channels.

A.K.: Good advertising, indeed. Durex has invested a lot of money in this advertising campaign around the world. People who live, I repeat once again, young people, both your generation and younger than you, they know very well that they need to protect themselves, but they don’t do it. Because, I’ll say it again, the situation in Russia is a little different, so it’s worse than in America. Much scarier. But in general, in the world there are rich countries, and Russia is still, no matter how funny it may sound, a rich country, no matter who throws stones at me now, any resident of Russia is 100, 200, 300 times richer than the wealthiest resident of Malawi or Botswana. With the exception of maybe three or four people. Therefore, we are a rich country, we are a white country, with a white population. We have exactly the same problems as in the USA. People have stopped using protection, but at the same time, for example, we are talking about Durex condoms, but go to the store and see how much these condoms cost. A pack - 1000 rubles. And now you are 18 years old, or the girl is 17 years old, the boy is 18, and so they go home. To a boy or a girl. What will they buy? Two bottles of Nadezhda champagne or a pack of condoms? Personally, when I was 17 years old, I would, of course, buy champagne.

D.N.: But they don’t tell us about other methods of protection, contraception, because this is corruption.

A.K.: You see, they won’t save you from HIV infection, no other methods of contraception. Other methods of contraception may save you from unwanted pregnancy.

D.N.: It's true.

ABOUT Only two types of contraception will save you from HIV: a condom and pre-exposure prophylaxis

A. Krasovsky

It doesn’t exist in Russia at all, it’s pretty stupid to talk about it. Or rather, there are these Truvada pills, drink them if you want, but still wear a condom, because no Truvada will protect you from syphilis and other STDs (sexually transmitted diseases). Only a condom.

D.N.: Listen, these disputes arise all the time, and they arise among people, let’s say, of advanced, retirement age. I’m talking about various senators and deputies who are already receiving pensions.

A.K.: And you assume that they have already forgotten how much condoms cost.

D.N.: Maybe because they keep telling us that we don't need to know about condoms or, I don't know, female caps. We don't need to know about contraceptive methods at all, because it's debauchery. Because young people should not have sex at all, then there will be no unwanted pregnancy, no AIDS - nothing from this list.

A.K.: No, firstly, the number of schizophrenics in public authorities is not so large. And what we now see from the latest layoffs is that their number is decreasing - people who make strange public statements. In fact, there are negligibly few people in the Duma, in the Federation Council, in the Ministry of Health, in the Government of Russia who believe that condoms should be banned. And therefore, strictly speaking, neither condoms, nor other methods of contraception, nor any pills are prohibited. And I am deeply convinced that they will not be banned. Simply because everyone understands that the issue is not only about unwanted pregnancy, the issue is really about a huge number of diseases, the treatment of which - or maintaining a person with this disease in working condition - is so expensive that it will not pay off with any political dividends.

D.N.: In many of his interviews, Vadim Pokrovsky also said that we have had it since 1987, and that was when the first case...

A.K.: 1988. They were there before, but such a global...

D.N.: Some translator from Tanzania arrived, he was the first HIV-infected.

A.K.: Soviet translator.

D.N.: Yes, yes, yes, in the Soviet Union. Since then, since 1987, 1 million people have become infected. Of these, however, 200 thousand have already died. The rest continue to live and somehow thrive. And the question is: taking into account all the output data, everything that we have now, how much can this figure progress? What could it be like in 10 years?

A.K.: Firstly, Vadim Valentinovich, I don’t remember him mentioning the number one million, he always says more.

D.N.: Last year I saw 950 thousand.

A.K.: This is the Ministry of Health speaking.

D.N.: Ministry of Health - 750 thousand.

A.K.: No. There are different numbers, we must understand this. Not all numbers are created equal. There are figures from the Ministry of Health. This figure is huge, but nevertheless it is the smallest. This is exactly 823 thousand living people who were alive at the time of December 31, 2015. I want to congratulate you; generally speaking, we are living in September 2016. Pokrovsky talks a little more about the figure. The figure reported by UNAIDS (the Joint United Nations Program on HIV/AIDS. - Note Life). This is again the figure for 2015, somewhere in the region of 1.35-1.45 million people living with HIV. Not dead. The epidemic is progressing; the epidemic has indeed now been at a new stage of its peak for the last two years. When the number of people has exceeded - not just exceeded a million, but when in fact, let's be honest, as a percentage, 1% of people in the Russian Federation live with HIV. From a UNAIDS perspective. UNAIDS is the organization that monitors the epidemic around the world. And, in general, of course, you need to trust them, and not the officials of the Ministry of Health, who do not know how to control any epidemics anywhere, as we see from what is happening now in Russia with HIV, and with hepatitis, and with tuberculosis, and etc.

Therefore, in total, one and a half million are living in Russia with HIV now in 2016, and there will, of course, be more, because apart from talk, nothing is being done. Someone, somewhere, was given money, someone's money was taken away, somewhere doctors were laid off, something was leaked. I have been working closely on this topic for three years, for the last year I have been working 24 hours a day, creating my own foundation and website “AIDS. Center” and I see that nothing is happening except talk and PR. Therefore, without any doubt, by 2020, when the whole world will reach the 90/90/90 goal, when 90% of all people around the world should be aware of their status, 90% of them should be receiving medicines and 90% should be cured by this medicine . In Russia, of course, it will be well over 2 million. I think that there will be 2 million by 2018.

D.N.: 2 million are HIV-infected?

A.K.: People living with HIV. Let's not say "HIV-infected".

D.N.: Fine.

A.K.: Because if you have the flu, you don't say "flu-infected."

D.N.: Of course, good.

A.K.: You have the flu, they have HIV.

D.N.: So this is the number of people with HIV. What about the number of people with AIDS?..

A.K.: That's a good question. In fact, it is also increasing every day. Let's say that AIDS is simply the final stage of HIV, when people who do not receive medication get all sorts of opportunistic diseases, i.e. diseases that enter the human body because the immune system can no longer cope with them. And a person dies from the most common diseases, and sometimes from the most unusual diseases, like Pneumocystis pneumonia or Kaposi's sarcoma, or cytomegalovirus.

Every day the number of people dying from AIDS, especially in our large cities, is more and more, because they don’t give pills, they don’t give medicine without permanent registration, with temporary registration. People are afraid to go to doctors, people cannot go to their region, realizing that they are not given anything in the region either, and they die from AIDS. As the director of the AIDS Center Foundation, who communicates with vulnerable groups every day, I have two such cases a week. These are boys and girls who did not live to see 30, who came to Moscow, say, from Penza or Krasnoyarsk, from Novosibirsk, from Omsk, from Tomsk. They live until the last moment, hoping that something in their life will change, like any person, they hope for chance in this case. The government is doing nothing to help them. On the contrary, he interferes with them in every possible way, does not give them pills, and ultimately they find themselves in the terminal stage of the disease, when no hospital and no therapy can save them. That's the problem.

D.N.AIDS. Center" in our studio. Previously, HIV, like AIDS, is also a disease that exists in real life and also exists in some mythological consciousness, an idea of ​​​​what it is. 20 years ago it was called a "disease of homosexuals" , today they say it is a disease of drug addicts. In reality, who is most often infected with HIV in modern Russia? Who most often gets HIV, under what circumstances?

A.K.: In modern Russia, most often people get sick - new cases - are women 25+. A woman is much more trusting, she is pliable. The woman believes that the man is in charge. Russian woman. And the level of depression and poverty in the regions is such that a huge number of men who have sex with these women use or have used intravenous drugs. Then the woman becomes a transmission link to men who do not use intravenous drugs, but simply have sex.

The main vulnerable group is sexually mature homo sapiens from 25 to 50 years old

A. Krasovsky

Moreover, the category of people my age, i.e. 40+, we see more and more every year.Those people who at the age of 47 find out that they have HIV and do not understand what to do. I have seen a lot of such people and now I see them more and more often, these are people both poor and very rich, who are ready to pay absolutely any money, who immediately leave Russia and try to find doctors somewhere in America or Spain. I tell them right away: look there, don’t go, for example, to Israel for treatment. In Israel you will not have anything good, it will be the same as in Russia. For your money in Russia you will get the same as in Israel, only much cheaper. Therefore, it’s probably not worth talking about any vulnerable groups right now. But it is very important not to lie to ourselves that there are no more vulnerable groups. Of course they exist.

Now there is a new outbreak of infection among homosexuals in Russia. And we can say that in large cities, for example, in Moscow, 20% of homosexuals will be living with HIV by the end of this year

A. Krasovsky

This is how the situation works within this vulnerable group. People are also less responsible, people came to the big city from the provinces, a brave new world opened up before them. And among this group, to which I belong, there are a lot of people living with HIV.

D.N.: Is it Tinder and Grinder's fault?

A.K.: Not really. They have absolutely nothing to do with it. The new generation, which has reached the age when people want to have sex, does not know that there was AIDS. This is the only argument. It is clear that Tinder, Grinder, and some other dating apps or sites help people and make this task easier. But homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with it. Tinder is not a homosexual app.

D.N.: No.

A.K.: Therefore, it has become easier to get acquainted, and this is such an ordinary story. When I was 18 years old, it was some kind of experience (experience. - Note Life), but now it’s as simple as brushing your teeth. I see this amazing number of cases every day and I never imagined it would be like this.

The effect of wild garlic tincture, or How AIDS is treated in Russia

D.N.: It’s good if a person suddenly finds out that he is sick, for some reason he decided to go get tested, maybe his new partner asked him, he was tormented by a cold. So he found out that he had HIV. What to do next, what scheme?

A.K.: Next he will have a scheme, either offered to him by the place where he went to take this test, or this is a scheme that he will encounter. But his reality will be this: he will not understand what he should really do. Because any laboratory, whether paid, where he will pass this test anonymously or not for 300 rubles, or free, where he most likely will not anonymously pass it, will send him to the AIDS center, a large regional center. If he lives in Moscow and does not have Moscow permanent registration, he will be sent from Moscow to his place of registration. This is an issue that has been discussed many times in the courts, and has been discussed many times with the Moscow Health Department. And as before, people living with HIV and not registered in Moscow cannot receive treatment or any medical advice here in the capital. This is a violation of their rights.

I know that on a recent VKontakte line, Sergei Minaev asked Sergei Sobyanin about this. Sobyanin said that he doesn’t know anything about it and hasn’t listened, and I hope that somehow this story will be conveyed to the mayor, because it is monstrous. But this happens not only in Moscow, this happens in many places. It's just that the virus is concentrated in Moscow. A large, large city, it is a concentrating enclave during an epidemic, relatively speaking. New York City was such an enclave during the years when AIDS appeared in the United States. And San Francisco. Large cities that attract young people from the provinces. They are, without a doubt, the center of such diseases. Be it HIV, the Spanish flu, which swept Europe in the 18-20s of the twentieth century. Be it the London Plague of 1666. It is inevitable. Therefore, there is a terrible epidemic in Moscow, and we don’t understand the real numbers. Not only Moscow, but also the Moscow region.

D.N.: I receive a lot of messages asking mainly about treatment.

A.K.: Is there a cure?

D.N.: Yes, both about treatment and about cure. How many tablets should they take, can these people play sports, what are the restrictions?

A.K.: In Russia there are already two drugs that are one tablet that you take a day. In a normal, civilized, rich world, and we belong to this world, people living with HIV take 1 tablet a day and live exactly as long as modern statistics tell us, as people live without HIV. Moreover, since people with HIV have to, if they are a responsible person, have a normal attitude towards themselves... Some have diabetes, some have tuberculosis, and some have cancer. And he has HIV. And he is forced to do examinations at least once every six months. Accordingly, such a responsible attitude towards one’s health even prolongs one’s life.

We see from the example of America that, based on this survey, people with HIV live longer than people without HIV. Just because they go to doctors all the time

A. Krasovsky

This is one tablet.

In Russia, only two names are registered; in the USA and the EU there are many more such names. We are conducting research on the latest titles, but who knows when they will be registered. This is a huge, wildly long procedure. But the most offensive thing is that last year, under public pressure, the main drug on the Russian market, called Eviplera, was included in the list of vital drugs, but it never entered federal procurement. A year has passed since it was included in the VED (vital and essential drugs. - Note Life), and for a year government commissions have been mulling over this issue and cannot solve it in any way so that it finally gets on the federal procurement list and people across the country, and not just in wealthy regions, can receive quality treatment. And in the country people receive poor quality treatment. But these people are the absolute minimum of those living with HIV.

Currently, 27% of the total population of people with HIV receive at least some kind of medication. These drugs are very bad

A. Krasovsky

The main drug in Russia is called Zidovudine. It was invented back in the 60s. and was used as a drug for HIV in 1987 and registered in 1988. It is the first drug for HIV. It has not been in America for a long time, about 20 years. But in Russia it is the main medicine. It’s the same as if we treated ARVI with wild garlic infusion.

D.N.: Why was it invented in the 60s?

A.K.: It was invented as a cure for cancer. There was a huge amount of research, they looked at many inhibitors that would inhibit cancer cells, andAZT was one of them. And then it turned out that it is such an amazing drug that can prevent the virus from multiplying in the body.

D.N.: Anton Krasovsky, journalist, director of the fund " AIDS. Center" in our studio. We talked for the first half hour about "AIDS. Center" and about HIV infection, about people who are sick with HIV. In addition to the fact that it is difficult for a person to get treatment, it is morally difficult for him to decide to tell his relatives about it. There is also a certain fear in society. I remember when I was at university, There was a story that there were needles sticking out in the trains, which were left by some dissidents to deliberately infect other people, etc. Everyone was afraid, and no one sat on the train except grannies. Is public consciousness changing or not?

A.K.: It is changing, but very slowly. We live in big cities where they are more relaxed about this. In small cities, where the epidemic is no better than in Moscow, and in certain regions, for example, in the Volga region or the Urals, it is even worse, the attitude is absolutely terrible. Our guy recently died, also without receiving treatment here, in the capital. Died of Kaposi's sarcoma. His relatives live in the Volga region, they even diagnosed him not with AIDS, but with sarcoma, so that in this small town no one could guess that he died of AIDS. At the same time, it is still slowly through the efforts of various people, in particular Life, which, from my point of view, is the best publication that writes about HIV, through the efforts of federal channels, the Svetlana Medvedeva Foundation, who did a lot so that people started talking about the epidemic, they remembered, so that government agencies pay attention to this... In Russia this is the most important thing. And consciousness begins to change too. And the attitude towards people too. And people with HIV themselves are beginning to gradually open up and say that “we are the same people.”

After some time it will perhaps be easier. But to make it easier, it should be easier with medications. People shouldn't be crowded in lines, shouldn't be fighting for a place in the check-in line, shouldn't have to come at 5 a.m. to get a dose of those horrible, toxic, old pills. All this should not happen, Russia is a rich country. And most importantly, no matter how cynical it may sound, the domestic market for AIDS and pills is huge. That's a million sets. And it’s a sin for the state not to bargain with the big pharmaceutical monsters, dump, lower prices, and the state should do this. If there are no such people in these structures, then the state must find other people who know how to do this, want to and will.

D.N.: I want to advertise a special project that Life launched together with the Ministry of Health. On the "Special Project" tab, there is a lot of stuff there. We will talk about this problem with our listeners later. Now, in blitz mode, we’ll go through other topics. Will you go to the polls?

A.K.: I will not go to the polls.

D.N.: And why?

A.K.: Because I will not be in Russia, I will be in Washington, hosting a dinner party at a conference, because a company of my comrades is announcing its merger with a large London company. This unification will take place at the large IBA world conference, which will take place in Washington. This will happen exactly on election day.

D.N.: So you can take an absentee ballot.

A.K.: It’s possible, but I won’t take it and won’t spend Sunday going to the Embassy of the Soviet Union in Washington on Andrei Sakharov Square.

I claim that I would not like to do anything in vain in my life.

D.N.: IN Didn't you go to rallies in 2011?

A.K.: I went to watch one rally, and then in 2012 for work. I then headed the election headquarters of M. Prokhorov.

D.N.: Those. you on Bolotnaya and Sakharov, weren’t you among those people who said that Churov was a wizard?

A.K.: I never accused him of all sins, I’m still not an idiot. I have a great relationship with my grandfather, he has a beautiful beard and a small dog. I don’t have a beard, but I have a dog, so Churov and I are brothers in a sense. He's just older.

D.N.: I’m about to start getting hysterical after hearing the words about the Churov brothers!

A.K.: I actually went to a number of rallies, even to one meeting I went from the bottom of my heart. But this in no way makes me related to the people who first created a coalition, then destroyed the coalition, then created it again, then destroyed it again.

D.N.: Wait, you wished EP good luck, but EP doesn’t need anything...

A.K.: That is why I will not go to the polls.

What were the colonel's millions intended for?

D.N.: You know, they often say lately that the state, the system in general, heals itself, somehow tries to survive, is constantly changing, transforming. And, for example, society had an order to fight corruption, against powerful corrupt officials, and now the state is starting to do this. Here we see information about a four-room apartment filled with billions...

A.K.: But at the same time we see information that it was he who prepared the Maidan with American money.

D.N.: Do you believe that he prepared the Maidan?

A.K.: No, I don’t believe it, but a newspaper with a million circulation writes about it. This is a newspaper to which the president of the country gives an interview every year and writes about it. It turns out that it was not the police colonel who stole, as we know, not 120 million, but 500 million dollars. They found the guy there, with bills and cash. And the newspaper "Komsomolskaya Pravda" writes that it was the Americans, the USA, that Obama gave to this dude. Obama, and show us the DHL package. Apparently, DHL transported 120 million dollars in cash through our Russian customs, controlled by the FSB.

D.N.: Listen, this is ridiculous to even discuss.

A.K.: Why is it funny? This is an editorial in the Communist Party. Tomorrow Putin will give an interview there - will it also be funny to discuss? This is not funny, this is just such a strange position of different people. Indeed, there was, there always is, such a request in Russia - “to hang on.” Let's hang someone. He is not always satisfied. What is happening now, from my point of view, really, on the one hand, is happening because there is a demand for a fight, and on the other hand, because the money is running out within the people who run the system. They are trying to consolidate the flows in some way. If the flows are consolidated from the bandits in which they are currently consolidated. We see that these are, in general, bandits who keep their millions in their apartments. If they are in some kind of financial structure - OK.

D.N.: I would like them to be used to index pensions for grannies.

A.K.: I wouldn’t want them to be used on grannies. Therefore, they should be used for the economy.

D.N.: Granny will go to the store, buy some bread, and in this way she will start the circulatory system of the economy.

A.K.: And perhaps it will trigger inflation. Economists argue, and you are in Glazyev’s position.

D.N.: I? Why do you think so?

A.K.: This is Glazyev’s position. Let's give grandma the money, and grandma will go buy herself some bread. And with this we will launch the economy. I am not an economist. I also don’t take Kudrin’s position. We have seen for many years how Alexey Leonidovich moved the financial system in our country and what this led to. But you still have to be realistic. Money has to count somehow.

D.N.: You were also involved in politics, worked in Prokhorov’s election headquarters.

A.K.: I headed it.

D.N.: Sorry.

A.K.: At Prokhorov’s election headquarters, but I never worked in the Civic Platform party, in the Right Cause party. I have never worked in any party structures.

D.N.: If you were offered it now, wouldn't you go?

A.K.: Where?

D.N.: Somewhere to work as chief of staff again.

A.K.: Where?

D.N.: Well I do not know.

A.K.: To the "Growth Party"? No, I wouldn't go.

D.N.: And why?

A.K.: I despise all of this. It's all pointless.

D.N.: What about Apple?

A.K.: I approach Yabloko with wary bewilderment. As with any sectarian who is carried away by his old age.

D.N.: We need to offer something to voters.

A.K.: There are no voters now, so there is no need to say that the voter needs to be offered something. There is no need to offer me anything, because I am not going to the Duma or to the elections. I, the voter, don’t need to offer anything. Any politician will offer the voter only one thing: a good, happy life. It will sound differently, but the voter does not vote for an unhappy life. Any politician, any political platform of any political party is built on the concept of change for the better. Wherever this party is and whatever its name. Let's get rid of the demagoguery.

D.N.: You accuse me of demagoguery unfairly, because for some, happiness is getting a mandate to beat someone on Fridays and save Russia. You see, for them to receive a mandate from the state is already happiness. For some, it will be happiness if abortions are banned and everyone gives birth every year. For some - to hold LGBT parades every Friday. Everyone has different ideas about happiness. What would your party propose?

A.K.: I don't know. Because I don't want to be the head of this party. I do not see myself as the head of the country under any circumstances. Or even the head of any department. I am engaged in social activities, and if my social activities, this little “Speed” of mine, can be built into some future political system, I will consider this option, without a doubt. If there really are competitive elections, really, competitive elections that are really not regulated from an office on the third floor in the sixth entrance on Old Square. Maybe someday I will take part in these elections. So far, I not only see no point in this, but also, I believe that I myself, despite the fact that I am 41 years old, have not matured enough for this.

D.N.: You actively supported your Khodorkovsky...

A.K.: I have never actively supported Khodorkovsky.

D.N.: You wrote so insightfully about him.

A.K.: I wrote one article, it was my mistake.

D.N.: You don't support him?

A.K.: I don't support him.

D.N.: At what point did you change your position?

A.K.: On the second day after I saw him.

D.N.: Why?

A.K.: I talked to him for a while and realized that he is not the man of my dreams.

D.N.: This is how powerful it was to disappoint a person...

A.K.: Why? On the contrary, I was very powerfully fascinated by him. When a person comes out after serving ten years and says some of the things he said, it makes an impression. Mikhail Borisovich, without any doubt, is an impressive person. He also made an impression on me. I, like anyone, am a person of little intelligence and, like any Russian, I myself am happy to be deceived. I was glad to be deceived by Khodorkovsky, but at the same time I am again glad that my self-deception did not last long.

D.N.: Please put on your headphones, we have 2 minutes left. You need to listen to at least a couple of questions. Peter calls, hello, hello.

LISTENER: Hello! My name is Roman. I am amazed, Anton, by your level of infantilism. All your problems, of the same fund, here you are fighting AIDS, they could be solved instantly, you just need to slightly change the vector of financial attention, that’s all. Move something, create some kind of controversy in the Duma, and then we would switch from the problems of Syria, Ukraine and some other territories and turn our face to the country - and everything would be resolved.

D.N.: Is it possible to do this?

A.K.: I do quite a lot to ensure that the debate goes in the direction I want. In line with what is needed not only for me, but also for the 1.5 million people who live with HIV in Russia.

D.N.: Another call. Hello. Hello!

LISTENER: Hello! Good afternoon. Short question: Is Crimea ours?

A.K.: Crimea Crimean.

D.N.: I've heard this somewhere before.

A.K.: Well, first of all, I say this all the time. I don't know where the call came from. Maybe, for example, a girl from Kharkov is calling. I do not know that. I believe that the Crimeans could make their choice and made their choice; they made it, by the way, more than once. They made their first choice in the 1991 referendum. And all these elections were in favor of Russia, of course. Of course, not a single Ukrainian considers Crimea his own. Ukrainians began to consider Crimea Ukrainian after Crimea became part of the Russian Federation. Not a single day did people who lived in Ukraine consider Crimea to be Ukrainian. Moreover, the consequences that we now see for Russia are incommensurate with what Russia has suffered.

D.N.: 38% of our listeners support you, 62% say they didn't really like you. Anton Krasovsky, journalist, director of the AIDS Center Foundation, was in our studio. Thank you!

A.K.: Thank you.

 

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