Alone with all glib glinka part 2. Ksenia Sokolova: “Liza Glinka would tell me:“ You are a fool, Sokolova! "These people should not be allowed to go to charity for a cannon shot."

More than a year after the death of philanthropist and philanthropist Elizaveta Glinka in a plane crash of a Tu-154 flying to Syria over the Black Sea, her widower and all her assistants leave the foundation she founded. “The reason is simple - the new head, journalist Ksenia Sokolova thinks more about herself than about people,” reports online812.ru. “Gleb Glinka is creating a new foundation named after his deceased wife, Doctor Liza.

Doctor Liza's assistant Natalya Avilova became the director of the organization. She said that in Fair Aid everything is not the same as during the life of the patron: “We hope that when the fund is fully operational, one of the specialists will come to us, who will be able to continue the work started by Lisa with palliative patients at home, provide advice to their families, provide them with medical support, "she told RIA Novosti.

Doctor Alexander Parfenov was elected president of the new foundation, who during the life of Elizaveta Glinka was the head of her foundation "Fair Help". Note that earlier it became known that Ksenia Sokolova, who headed her foundation after Glinka's death, increased her salary fivefold: 173 thousand against 30 thousand rubles a month, which Dr. Lisa paid herself. The rent also increased - Sokolova rented an office in the center of Moscow for 172.5 thousand rubles. At the same time, the fund was left without a doctor. "

"Ksenia Sokolova" has built an effective system ", - notes the Telegram channel Case from the cello. - She hired expensive managers and curtailed the Donbass assistance program. It is reported that this caused a conflict with Natalia Avilova, a member of the fund's board."

Elena Miro wrote about the problems in the fund back in December last year: " The organization "Fair Help" provided material and medical assistance to the dying sick, low-income people, and homeless people. During her lifetime, a lot of criticism was addressed to Dr. Lisa, one could not agree with all of her affairs, but one thing is obvious - she did at least something useful, unlike the critics.

Unfortunately, once again you are now convinced that good deeds are done not by organizations, but only by individuals. While Glinka ran the charitable organization, her salary was 30 thousand rubles.It is clear that by the standards of Moscow, this is laughter. But this is exactly how they do charity: they do not try to make money on it, but spend their energy on making others better.Charity is the lot of the rich. Those who have what they have.As soon as the beggars get into charity, good deeds disappear, turning into a way to grab more...

The organization's office moved from the outskirts, where it was located in the basement, to the very center of Moscow.The staffing list now includes new positions, such as secretary and fundraiser - a person who runs around and looks for benefactors.The expenses of the fund, of course, do not violate the law, but it all smells somehow disgusting. As soon as Lisa died, her business became a brand for earnings. "

Elizaveta Glinka (1962-2016) is the daughter of a nutritionist and TV presenter Galina Poskrebysheva. Rumors circulated that she was a relative of Stalin's secretary, Alexander Poskrebyshev, but Doctor Liza denied them. By profession - an intensive care physician. In 1990, she married an American lawyer Gleb Glinka and lived in the United States for some time. There she received another medical specialty - "palliative medicine" and worked in hospices for five years. In 2007, she founded a public organization "Fair Help" in Moscow, which provided material support and medical assistance to dying cancer patients and low-income patients and homeless people. Since 2014, she has participated in charitable programs for the civilian population of Donbass, and since 2015 - in Syria.

"Elizaveta Petrovna could find a common language with anyone, - talks about the principles of work of "Doctor Lisa" Natalia Avilova... - When it was needed. Not when she wanted it, but exactly when IT WAS NEEDED. It was oriented and rebuilt instantly.There are completely impenetrable walls. Here is her work with the homeless, this approach that is not very clear to anyone: “You cannot reproach anyone with a piece of bread - not even a homeless person. Or rather, a homeless person in particular. so not okhungry, than accidentally refuse someone who actually has nothing to eat ... "Well, how with such an approach, far from planning, motivation, control and other attributes of" effective management "to collect money for bandages and diapers?! And she found the right words "A well-fed homeless person is a safe homeless person." To feed a homeless person, to give warm clothes, if he is anesthetized, bandaged, then this is not only a big relief of social services, it is a tangible contribution to safety, especially if this work is done by charitable organizations and volunteers, without using any grants and budget funds. through private voluntary donations. "

"The Doctor Lisa Foundation has split," writes the Zakuliska telegram channel. "What happened was what should have happened after Ksenia Sokolova came to the leadership ... After the arrival of Sokolova, many miraculous things began to happen. From the first - an increase in the salary of the head, office expenses, a reduction in the cost of medicines.And here's the news. Gleb Glinka, Natalya Akimova, Alexandra Krasnogorodskaya left the Fund. And they announce the opening of the new Elizaveta Glinka Foundation. We wish you good luck in your endeavor".

"Just the other day, a new foundation of Doctor Lisa is opening, -

Yulia Menshova's project “Alone with Everyone” is an “intimate” conversation on the most intimate topics that, as a rule, celebrities prefer to avoid. Interest is not so much information as feelings. Of course, the degree of openness will depend on the interlocutor. But many guests of the program know the presenter personally, and this helps to make the conversation comfortable for the interlocutor and to talk about topics about which they usually prefer to remain silent. Often, journalists ask standard questions, and the essence of the person escapes. Therefore, the main task is to capture this essence, and, in the opinion of the host and the author of the project, it lies precisely in feelings, and not in words.

Alone with everyone - Gleb Glinka and Ksenia Sokolova part 2 of May 26, 2017

She extended a helping hand to everyone who needed her, took out the sick, the wounded and children from the shelling and bombing, and saved hundreds of lives. And almost six months ago she was gone. In the studio - the husband of Doctor Lisa, a doctor and human rights activist, head of the International Public Organization "Fair Help" Gleb Glinka and the continuer of her case, Ksenia Sokolova.

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Lawyer Gleb Glinka, the husband of Doctor Lisa, who died tragically in the plane crash, recently became the hero of the "Alone with Everyone" program. Together with the man from the broadcast studio, journalist Ksenia Sokolova appeared, who headed the Fair Help fund after the death of the human rights activist. On the air of the TV show, relatives of Elizaveta Glinka shared their memories of her.

“She couldn't be stopped. I thought a lot about this and tried to understand in hindsight whether there was something that I could do to keep her out ... I tried all the methods of influence, but this was her path, and she passed it, "Sokolova said.

According to the friend of Doctor Lisa, she could not come to terms with the cruelty of the world around her and believed that love can conquer everything. “I would like as many people as possible to know about it. If more such people came to the world, then everything would be fine with us, and we would be able to overcome the shortage of resources. I am convinced that a person should be like that, ”Sokolova shared.

The host of the program, Yulia Menshova, asked Gleb Glinka to add something to the answer of her friend Elizabeth. The man could not contain his emotions. Tears welled up in his eyes.

“I’m still waiting for her to come back,” said Gleb Glinka.

The broadcast also showed an interview with Natalia Avilova, a member of the board of the Doctor Lisa Foundation. Her first meeting with a public figure took place in 2009. “I had a pretty good career then, I worked at the Federation Council, and there we met Elizaveta Petrovna. Having met her in the evening, at 5:30 in the morning she called me and said: “Natasha, there is a homeless man at my door. The ambulance won't take him to the hospital. Natasha, do something. " And I fell in love with her, it was love at first sight. It was my man, ”Avilova recalled.

Those close to Elizaveta Glinka note that she knew how to be tough, but she never went too far. “She couldn't hate people. She hated death, ”said the lawyer's husband. Ksenia Sokolova agreed with his point of view.

“She was a person so compassionate that she did not understand the lack of compassion in God ... She also hated war, because it is not just God, but people who, from her point of view, had to take care of each other and make their already difficult stay bearable in this world. And these were her enemies - death and war. She really was a little Don Quixote. She walked and tried to defeat these things that did not fit into her concept, ”the woman said.

Former president of the Fair Aid Foundation for Dr. Lisa and journalist Ksenia Sokolova told Zoya Svetova how they tried to destroy her reputation, force her to leave the presidency, about the raider's takeover of the fund, and who is interested in initiating a criminal case against her.

August 6 agency "Moscow" reported that the Investigative Committee opened a criminal case for abuse of power in the Fair Help charity foundation created by Elizaveta Glinka. Glinka died in December 2016 in the crash of a Defense Ministry plane flying to Syria on a humanitarian mission. After her death, the foundation was headed by the famous journalist Ksenia Sokolova, a close friend of Glinka.

"Liza's employees and associates were completely confused"

- When were you offered to head the Fair Aid Foundation?

Literally a few days after Liza's death, her husband Gleb and her staff contacted me. They asked me to save the foundation and lead it. I officially became president of the foundation on February 14, 2017 and remained so until June 29, 2018, when I was dismissed at the general meeting of the organization. Lisa's death was an extraordinary event for me. If it was about anyone other than her, I would of course not subscribe to such an offer. The friendship with Lisa was very personal and special. Lisa was of great importance to me, and when the conflict around her happened in 2014, I supported her and because of this I quarreled with a number of my influential acquaintances. Liza was not only a friend, but in a sense even my "doctor Lisa", and after her death I thought that since this is how circumstances are developing and her close people asked me to save the fund, I will do it for Lisa. Her light shone on these people in my eyes.

- What were your responsibilities as president?

My presidency should be divided into three parts.The first is the real crisis management, that is, simply saving the fund. The second is the development of a new strategy for the fund, and the third is its implementation, we planned to turn the small fund of Dr. Lisa into one of the largest charitable foundations in Russia.

- Why was it necessary to save the fund?

Liza's employees and associates were completely confused and could not work out any coherent program of how this fund would exist, who would head it, and I, as a well-known media person, suited them very much in this sense. I was going to be a media person, planning to solve PR problems and engage in fundraising. But it immediately became clear that there was an absolute mess with papers in the fund, it was not even clear how to appoint me president, because the procedure itself was not clear. It became obvious that a lawyer was needed to handle the enormous paperwork. And then I invited the lawyer Anna Agranovich. Anna did her job perfectly.

- How did it happen that you were expelled from the fund?

Everything was fine, probably until last summer. Everything worked, we did not close any of the projects and programs that worked under Liza, we put the papers in order and I slowly began to formulate a new strategy. But unexpectedly, I had a conflict with an employee of the fund, Natalya Avilova. At that time, she was one of the three board members - we ourselves elected her there, she led the Donetsk project, flew to Donetsk on the planes of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and brought sick and wounded children from there. Natalya wrote me a letter. She said that in fact she was Lisa's personal PR manager, “made her a reputation” and offered to “make a reputation” for me. I answered quite harshly that I did not need such services. This happened last summer, in July, and then, sometime in September, Major General of the Investigative Committee, Bastrykin's senior assistant Igor Komissarov, took the stage.

Igor Komisarov. Photo: Valery Sharifulin / TASS

“We have completely different views on charity”

- Is he the customer of your pursuit?

I have every reason to believe that this is so.

- And what is his interest?

He and I have completely different views on charity. For example, he believes that a philanthropist should not receive money for his activities. I believe that I can and should and must pay people normal money, because this is work. Apparently, General Komissarov considers me his worst ideological enemy. We met at Lisa's funeral, and at first we worked quite fruitfully and everything was fine.

- And what general of the Investigative Committee had to do with the Liza Glinka Foundation?

In 2014, when Liza was a member of the HRC, the president signed Decree No. 1134, thanks to which her personal project of removing sick and wounded children from Donetsk actually became state-owned. Several departments were involved in this project: the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Emergencies, and including the Investigative Committee. The general said that in some critical situations, Liza simply called him and he resolved issues. He respected her very much, she perfectly matched his idea of ​​what a philanthropist should be, and after her death, he decided to continue helping the foundation. At first I perceived him as a very friendly person, and shared my plans with him.

- What?

When I began to develop a new strategy for the fund, I had the idea to create a children's center named after Elizaveta Petrovna Glinka in Moscow.The Fair Aid Foundation has a House of Mercy, which is located on the territory of the former City Hospital No. 11 on Novaya Basmannaya Street. There are 2 hectares of land and 11 buildings that are empty, are destroyed, including the city manor of the 18th century. And I thought, it would be nice if the city helped to restore at least part of this complex. And on the map of Moscow there would be a children's hospital named after Liza Glinka. Further, not wanting to spend the fund's money on so far vague projects, I just called various acquaintances who, in one way or another, were related to the creation and construction of medical facilities, and asked them to sketch me some ideas - what kind of children's institution Moscow lacks. One such idea was to create a children's rehabilitation center with a commercial and non-profit branch. The point was that there was a non-profit on the income from the commercial division. We then dismissed this idea, but at the moment when it appeared, I went to the general on some completely extraneous matter. And then a tragic coincidence happened. A few days before the visit to the general, the devil persuaded me to give an interview to a glossy magazine and they asked me, among other things, why I did not fly to Syria (the foundation had a project to provide humanitarian assistance to Syrian children's hospitals). In fact, I did not have the opportunity to fly there, but as a joke I replied that I would not go there, because there are no toilets on Russian military aircraft - which is true. After that, I found out that the most touchy people in the world are the Russian military, because soon a ten-minute story was released on some central channel about what a good doctor Lisa was, and now a bad glamorous Ksenia Sokolova, she does not want to fly on our military planes , but others fly. Then they showed for a long time how the bladder works on an airplane, etc.And this General Komissarov says to me: "Listen, if this was shown, then there is a signal to kill you."I say, come on, anything can happen, I am a new person in this topic and did not know that people are so offended, but there really are no toilets! And then I told him about our plan for the Glinka hospital. Then I even sent it to him. He replied that he showed the plan to specialists and they think that he is unprofessional. I explained to him that this is just one of the ideas, we have more than ten such options. In the end, we sent them all to the basket and settled on the option of a children's medical and patronage center.

But the general had already decided for himself that Ksenia Sokolova wanted to chop off 2 hectares of Moscow real estate with an estate, open some kind of meaningless commercial center there and profit from children.

And, apparently, as I understand it, this negative image of mine began to take shape in him, because before that he told me about Pavel Astakhov, who also chopped off some mansion, supposedly for children.

"You will be in trouble, the general does not love you"

- That is, he suspected you that you want to earn money for charity?

Exactly. He did not understand my motives, did not believe that my work in the fund was just a tribute to friendship. I was looking for self-interest. As a result, he and Mrs. Avilova formed a tandem, and quite effective. I realized this when I came to the next meeting of the Avilova Foundation with a black folder with a gold stamp “Investigative Committee”. She told all those present that she did not trust me, and they would soon be imprisoned. After the meeting, we talked to her together, and she openly told me: “Go away. I will do everything myself, and you go away. " I say: "Why do I have to leave?" She: "You will be in big trouble, the general does not love you." The funny thing is that if these people came to me and said: “Ksyusha, you were our crisis manager, thank you, we will be on our own,” I would leave with great relief. But they started to put pressure on me.

Elizaveta Glinka and Ksenia Sokolova. Photo: personal Facebook page

- But you were going to leave after you put the fund's affairs in order? And then you decided to do it seriously?

I literally got involved. There is a clear borderline when I got involved and realized that the prospects had opened up, and I know how to develop a fund.

- Did someone help you from the authorities?

Mikhail Alexandrovich Fedotov helped from the very beginning - together with Anna Agranovich, they made a new charter, a regulation on the board of trustees, etc. I myself did not call or impose myself on any of the high patrons of the foundation, they called me from Volodin, then from Mironov, etc. I met with everyone who invited me. At one of my meetings with Volodin, I honestly said that the moment had come that I had to decide - either to leave, or to stay and implement a new strategy. We have put everything in order, and if the fund will work in the volumes in which it works, then I am simply not needed there, they will do a great job on their own. But there is a strategic plan: to create a medical and patronage center, to do other projects, we came up with Dr. Lisa's vans for Moscow retirees, projects for the homeless, etc. We started hiring new people, we had to rent an office, since the new team was working just nowhere.

- Could you recruit people yourself or should you have consulted with the board?

There were three of us on the board: myself, Avilova and Andrey Makeev - the trustee and long-term donor of the foundation. Everything was decided in the board by a simple majority. At the same time, the operational management was carried out by the director Maxim Agranovich. For example, a director comes to me and says: we need an accountant, a secretary. And we hired the necessary people, but the staff was not inflated.

"Putin gave instructions:" to review, work out and express an opinion "

- Who gave money to the fund?

When I arrived, there were about 40 million rubles in the accounts. Basically, it was money for statutory activities. I have attracted several donors. For example, a donor appeared who brought about 15 million. Volodin personally donated 5 million a year, etc. Small donations were constantly coming from people, as is usually the case in foundations. But our potential was much higher, it is obvious that with such fame we could attract much more funds. A clear professional structure was needed, including retail fundraising. From a small foundation, the center of which was Lisa, who was gone, we had to move to the system, and last summer we made such a glass bridge to the future structure. And when some money was already invested in this, but there were no concrete results yet, they hit us.

I felt like something was going on against me, but I was so carried away by what we came up with that I just didn't pay attention to the negativity.

We made plans, came up with projects, went to strategic sessions, etc. At the end of the year, I brought the idea of ​​the Glinka medical and patronage center, described on two pieces of paper, to Sergei Mironov. As he later told me, he handed it along with his covering letter to Vladimir Putin personally. And Putin instructed Sobyanin - “to look through, study and express your opinion” (the document is at the disposal of the editorial board. - “MBH media”). I was very inspired by this paper and immediately showed it to all employees. Almost simultaneously, Lyudmila Mikhailovna Alekseeva, a member of our Board of Trustees, at the ceremony of presenting her with the State Prize, asked Putin for personal patronage for the Fair Help Foundation of Dr. Lisa. The President seems to have taken it favorably towards this. And it was from that moment that we got into serious trouble.

Letter from Deputy Sergei Mironov to Vldimir Putin with Vladimir Putin's resolution and instructions to Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin to support the Fair Help Foundation project. Photo from the archive of Ksenia Sokolova

- Namely?

As far as I understand, General Komissarov and his allies realized that I was beginning to succeed. And the general sent me a letter addressed to someone else: “I told you what Ksenia Sokolova was doing and showed you the plan of the commercial clinic she was going to open and I would do everything possible and impossible to protect the honor of my friend Dr. Lisa”. I wrote to him in response that, probably, this letter came to me by accident. The general replied that he had sent me this letter on purpose for review.

Igor Komissarov's letter forwarded to Ksenia Sokolova

- Is this all happening in December 2017?

Yes. We received support from Putin, Mr. Volodin went with me to Sobyanin's, introduced me and told the mayor about our idea. Sergei Semenovich asked, maybe you don’t need a large estate right away, maybe we’ll give you an old orphanage and you’ll make this center there? I assured him that the orphanage would suit us perfectly. Then the deputy called me. Mayor of Moscow Leonid Pechatnikov, approved the idea of ​​the center, and we agreed to create a working group. In the same December, the Fund received the RBC Prize. December 25 was the anniversary of Lisa's death. Dozens of journalists began to come to us, and the REN TV channel also came. They took me a great interview. And then they asked to accept them again - in order to complete something. The correspondent handed me a paper - it was an internal audit ordered by me, which the members of the general meeting of our organization received the day before: “And here it is written that your administrative expenses exceeded your expenses on medicines. Please comment! " This, of course, was nonsense. I asked the reporter where he got this document from, he did not answer. I got them off.

It became clear that REN TV was filming dirty tricks, and that someone had leaked our confidential internal documents to them.

This was not the first time. The day before, several journalists approached me for interviews, directly referring to a letter describing my malicious activities and a copy of this audit, which Natalya Avilova sent to representatives of various charitable organizations. I realized that REN TV wanted to show my story just on the anniversary of Lisa's death in the Good On Air program, and wrote to the channel's management so that they would show this story not on that day, but at least later, out of respect for Lisa's memory. They didn't answer me. Then Mikhail Alexandrovich Fedotov somehow prevented the showing of the "revelatory" plot on December 25th. The plot came out later.

"Under Liza, the fund's main money was black."

- What was in the plot?

It said that I had five times increased my salary, rented an office, raised the salaries of employees, I spend more on lawyers than on medicines, my charges cannot get into the new office, because there is a staircase, etc. center, which I sent to Komissarov, and said that I was going to open a commercial clinic. They showed some of my photos from glamorous parties, and the conclusion: here was a good Liza, she received 30 thousand rubles and here is a bad Ksenia, who raised her salary five times and wastes money.

- And under Liza Glinka, did the employees really receive a very small salary?

I think now it is already possible to reveal the Punchinelle's secret, which everyone knows about: under Liza, the main money of the fund was black. The salaries of people were partially paid by whites, and everything else was paid in cash. Lisa was carried cash in large quantities. She was absolutely trusted, she spent money on her charges, on trips to Donetsk, etc. The donors did not doubt her honesty and did the right thing - I testify as a person who knew her for a long time and helped her. When Liza died, the fund's box office disappeared without a trace, as several of her closest employees told me.

Registered programs on REN TV, sending internal documents, dissatisfaction with you of the general of the SK, who was the curator of the fund, what was the purpose of all these actions?

The goal is to keep me out of the fund. This was clearly indicated by Avilova, who was my antagonist, and General Komissarov made it clear. He wrote to me that the support of those in power for me is a temporary phenomenon. And I wrote to him in response that he has the right to express his opinion, but I am against dirty methods, leaks, denunciations, fabricated stories, etc. of the Board of Trustees, saying that his "friend Volodya Tyulin", the general director of REN TV, is ready for a lot for him. I remembered this, because in response, the shocked Marianna Maksimovskaya asked the general why he was so draining his friend. As further evidence showed, the general considered it possible to achieve his goal by any means, up to the most cynical and harsh.

- That is, in December 2017 you entered the "warpath"?

Yes, it became clear that I would not be able to stay with Avilova in the fund. It became clear that General Komissarov would not stop either. And I didn't want to give up. They did not manage to spoil my reputation. Although there were two more stories on REN TV, absolutely mediocre, I must say. None of the influential people or opinion leaders paid attention to them. Firstly, I had some kind of reputation, and everyone understood that I would not steal money, and certainly not 170 thousand rubles of salary in Liza's basement. Secondly, the first 8 months in the fund I worked for free and, in fact, I was assigned a salary when we moved on to implementing a new strategy and when it became clear that I was working in full-time mode. Of course, all administrative costs were strictly legally bound.

- Did Avilova leave the fund?

There were two meetings of the board of trustees, at which, despite the statements of Avilova and Komissarov against me, the members of the board took my side, and Avilova was forced to leave. But then Liza's widower Gleb Glinka, who asked me to save the fund a year ago, came into play. I think the general did the job, Gleb realized that they wouldn’t let me live anyway, and it’s better to stay closer to the more influential side. And Gleb Glinka, the heir to the brand, together with Avilova submitted an application to the Ministry of Justice for the creation of the Elizaveta Glinka Doctor Lisa Foundation. Thus, the Fair Aid Foundation for Dr. Lisa has a double to the point of confusion. The brand has blurred. It was another powerful blow. And then I began to understand that our strategic plans are at least postponed. In addition, I am terribly tired of this senseless undercover fuss instead of creative activity, all this squabbles, leaks, denunciations and conversations behind my back.

This is not how I imagined charity.

And I decided that until September, until everything is settled, we freeze all strategic projects and simply carry on those that already exist. We removed my salary, but the nominal one remained - 20 thousand rubles. Andrey Makeev was appointed director of the MBOO with a salary of 1 ruble. Alexander Kulikovsky became involved in the Donetsk project. And I decided to take a little rest. But it was not there.

"Four times the investigator refused to initiate a criminal case"

Then my opponents realized that they had failed to destroy my reputation and began to destroy my life. Natalya Avilova wrote a statement, although it would be more correct to say a denunciation, to the Investigative Committee about my "abuses" and sent it by e-mail to Bastrykin. And the pre-investigation checks began, of which there were five within five months.

- Were you removed from your presidency at a meeting of the board of trustees while you were in the hospital?

Yes, June 29th. Before that, I successfully repulsed all attacks. And that time, when I was not there, the director of the fund Andrey Makeev spoke. He spoke about our work for the reporting period, to which he was told, they say, we asked for written reports and plans, but you did not provide them, so we recommend changing the president, changing the board, accepting new members into the organization, etc. That is, they had everything prepared in advance. It was decided to appoint Tatyana Konstantinova as President.

- Who is she?

She is a fairly well-known woman in the charitable movement, she works at the Foundation for the Support of the Deaf-Blind "Connection". The problem of my opponents was that, according to our charter, the decisions of the Board of Trustees are advisory in nature, they had to be implemented. For this, the initiative group led by Gleb Glinka announced a general meeting to change the government at it. But for the legitimacy of the general meeting, they needed a quorum, and they did not have a quorum. Then they went for forgery: Ms. Avilova left the organization on February 12, 2018 (the statement is at the disposal of the editorial board. - "MBH media"). And they pretended that she did not leave the organization. Thanks to her “presence”, they obtained a quorum to legalize the general meeting of the organization's members.

Natalia Avilova's statement on her withdrawal from the Fair Aid Foundation. Photo: from the archive of Ksenia Sokolova

- The bottom line: you are no longer the president of the Fair Help Foundation for Dr. Lisa, there is another foundation named after Elizaveta Glinka, a criminal case has been opened. So?

Four times the investigator refused to initiate a criminal case. A fifth check was carried out, which led to the initiation of a case. I believe this happened because we did not agree to admit the forgery and Alexander Kulikovsky wrote a statement to the prosecutor's office and the Ministry of Justice about the raider seizure of the fund. After four checks, we “didn’t wipe out,” they carried out the fifth check and opened a case. And at first they tried to accuse me of allegedly paying employees overstated salaries and they returned part of these salaries to me in the form of cash. But then, when the story of the theft of funds by fraud was not confirmed, a strange construction of abuse of authority emerged: an allegedly unidentified group of people spent money in the wrong way, hiring two lawyers. And one of the lawyers was assigned a large salary from the point of view of the investigation. And thus, damage was caused to the fund, because the lawyer Anna Agranovich received a million-plus rubles for the entire duration of the contract. During the checks, employees were called in, testimonies were collected, then financial activities were checked, etc. All this under the strict guidance of stakeholders and unrelenting pressure. Then they did one very nasty thing. We convinced the mothers of sick children whom the foundation brought for treatment from Donetsk and prepared documents for them in order to treat them in Russia under the compulsory medical insurance, to write a carbon copy statement that we are forcing them to apply for refugee status, but they really do not want to do this. The mothers' statements immediately went to the HRC to Fedotov and to investigator Semyonov on the table. That is, these unfortunate women were manipulated, promising to cure their children for a fee if they write such statements. But this was not enough. In the end, the investigation decided to initiate a case that the management of the fund hired two lawyers to allegedly do the same thing, although this is not the case. Oleksandr Kulikovskiy is not a lawyer, he is a human rights activist, he took care of children who were brought from Donetsk, filled out documents, received people several times a week on various human rights issues. And Anna Agranovich is a lawyer, a lawyer, she completely created all the legal documents of the Foundation and as soon as she finished all this, the contract with her was terminated. And by the way, until June 2017, she worked for free.

"It became clear that the fund is no longer a basement with homeless people"

And yet, what, in your opinion, was guided by the General of the Investigative Committee, who, in fact, together with Avilova, as you said, initiated this persecution against you? Just because you're the wrong benefactor?

There is a second version, less "romantic". It is expressed by all my pragmatic acquaintances: when it became clear that this fund is no longer a basement with homeless people and not a small house of mercy, but can get huge resources, an estate in the center, etc., that there is presidential patronage, the promised multimillion-dollar grants, and Putin supported, or at least saw, the project of the Glinka Center, they realized that they urgently needed to seize these potential resources. This version is supported by the fact that the seizure began precisely in December 2017, when it was the anniversary of Lisa's death and when good events for us took place one after another. In fact, it was then that attempts to take over the Foundation began. As for my personal situation, I can say what these people did.

When they realized that I would not just leave under their pressure, they began to ruin my reputation, when this reputation survived, they began to ruin my life.

A criminal case has now been opened. And we all know perfectly well what to do in such cases: we must leave. I don't really want to leave.

- Are you afraid of a criminal case?

I don’t believe one iota in any kind of justice in Russia. I am absolutely sure that if people who work in the Investigative Committee want this criminal case to be promoted, it will be promoted. I'm not afraid of this, I'm ready for it. The main emotion I feel: deepest disgust. As Shalamov wrote, the camp is an invaluable human experience, but I am convinced that no one needs this experience. So, I got an invaluable experience and I can say that it would be better if I never saw these people and did not know about their existence.

“But you know very influential people. Did you turn to them for help?

First, I don't like to complain. Secondly, I realized that these people who fought against me manage to run around all the offices in a very short time and tell an incredible amount of horror about me. I began to contact someone at the last moment - after the fourth or during the fifth pre-investigation check. I said: here, some strange people are doing something against me. And in the same vein, my influential friends answered me that, of course, they were digging something there, but it wouldn’t come to the initiation of a criminal case. And, for example, Mr. Fedotov assured me that you just have to do your job, not paying attention to the general.I said - well, of course, there has been a constant emergency situation in the fund for more than six months, people are being dragged for interrogations, they are not allowed to work normally, people are intimidated, demoralized.To which the head of the HRC answered me - it's nothing, work, Ksenia, write reports, apply for state grants. I was absolutely amazed that he considered this situation normal and did not even try to protect us as the head of the board of trustees. More precisely, I tried. But he couldn't. In general, it was "Russian folk Kafka" in its purest form.

- That is, no one believed that all this was serious?

Yes, nobody believed. This means that we are writing a plus sign to the general, he turned out to be a stubborn guy.

- Could a criminal case have been initiated without Bastrykin's knowledge?

I don't know their cuisine. I saw that Denis Semyonov, the investigator of the Investigative Committee for the Central Administrative District of Moscow, who carried out the checks, is a fairly decent person. He told me a couple of times in plain text that he didn't want to get involved in these small-town squabbles. Four times he refused to initiate a criminal case on the basis of a delusional denunciation; his immediate superior returned the case to him, who was obviously under pressure.

"These people should not be allowed to go to charity for a cannon shot."

Liza Glinka's husband Gleb asked you to head the fund, Mikhail Fedotov is the head of the Board of Trustees, he supported you. What is the role of these people in this whole story now?

Gleb Glinka has not been on my side for a long time, he is a cunning man and quickly figured everything out. Mikhail Alexandrovich Fedotov, I think, has come under serious pressure. Fedotov is a very cautious person, and I do not understand why he decided to cover up the obvious forgery that occurred during the general meeting of the organization on June 29. But in general, the situation is as follows: all of them - Fedotov, influential patrons, the general, and even Avilova - represent a system, and I am outside this system. I'm a stranger. Obviously, they interact with me as long as I am in some way beneficial to them, as long as I behave as a system player. And to be a systemic player means, for example, to recognize the situation when the IC opens a case against you as normal. And somehow humbly groaning, worry about it.

In your opinion, some of the people who work for the foundation and provide patronage to it do not meet the moral criteria that are usually presented to benefactors?

I am quite sure that a scammer cannot be a benefactor. A person (by the way, a man) who wants, on the basis of denunciations and fabricated charges, to criminalize the mother of a minor child (this is me about myself) cannot be a benefactor, no matter how much he quotes the Bible. The moral qualities that these people have demonstrated mean only one thing: they should not be allowed to go to charity in response to a cannon shot. Their hypocrisy and lies are deeply disgusting.

- If Liza Glinka were alive, how would she react to this situation?

I think she would have said: "Sokolova, you are a fool!"

- Why?

Lisa's story and the history of her relationship with people from power is not easy. At some point, when she contacted them, I think she realized that she had to behave like a player in the system, which by nature she was not at all.

- How exactly to behave?

Compromise. And I absolutely justify her, because on the scales were children whom she could pull out and save from death, thanks to influential patrons.

- And you were not offered such a choice?

Yes, I was not offered. I just looked at some of them and I didn't like them. And they realized that I would not play by their rules.

- You have repeated several times that they disliked you. For what?

In general, in the eyes of the charitable community, I am such a young lady in Chanel from some kind of glamor, I am a stranger.

People don't like foreignness. But it was possible to mimic. For example, a general sent me a book about Dr. Haas , he tried to convert me to his faith, as it were. But I didn’t persist. I never stopped wearing my fur coat. I said: “Here I am as I am, but here is what I want to do. See if you approve or disapprove. " And I never resorted to intrigues, denunciations, undercover methods. I have always acted directly. And this set of qualities turned out to be completely unsuitable for doing business with the system. Or I had to adapt to them, which was obviously technically correct, because you cannot rebuild a huge system that functioned for many decades before you. You must enter it. I didn't, I admit. But according to the "Hamburg score", the fact that Lisa got on that plane is a consequence of the fact that she became part of the system. It was her choice, and I believe, forgive the pathos, that the Russian state owes her a debt. And so I thought that if they made the Glinka Children's Hospital, which would remain in Moscow for centuries, like the Sklifosovsky Clinic, they would at least partially pay off this debt.

- If you go back everything, would you agree to lead this fund?

Never, under any circumstances.

 

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